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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi jt,

I am not sure if I agree with you for the following reasons.

1- Many of the virtual machines space get flatten with temp data which you might needed only once &amp; after that you never needed that space any more.

2- In the case I have pointed to in point one in this reply, SAN Thin provisioning feature will not allow you to reclaim that space as it will see it being used.

3- Who said disk space is cheap, specially on high end storage.

4- Thin provision on some storage vendors get to be quite expensive &amp; some of them does not even support it.

In the end, everyone has his way of doing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jt,</p>
<p>I am not sure if I agree with you for the following reasons.</p>
<p>1- Many of the virtual machines space get flatten with temp data which you might needed only once &amp; after that you never needed that space any more.</p>
<p>2- In the case I have pointed to in point one in this reply, SAN Thin provisioning feature will not allow you to reclaim that space as it will see it being used.</p>
<p>3- Who said disk space is cheap, specially on high end storage.</p>
<p>4- Thin provision on some storage vendors get to be quite expensive &amp; some of them does not even support it.</p>
<p>In the end, everyone has his way of doing things.</p>
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		<title>By: jt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with this post.  First and foremost, a VM that has rapid shifts up and down in disk space utilization should NOT be thin provisioned at the VMFS level to begin with.  Thin at the SAN or thick - to prevent the LUN from being over committed and thus pause everything.  Second, spending the money on a SAN feature license that covers all connected servers compared to the cost and constant changing &quot;what this license includes&quot; VMWare license makes it a no brainer - the SAN feature will be cheaper.  Third - thick provisioning isn&#039;t evil if you are dealing with less than 10tb.  Disk is cheap, and you&#039;re paying for the SANhead anyway, so don&#039;t try to solve things with added licenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with this post.  First and foremost, a VM that has rapid shifts up and down in disk space utilization should NOT be thin provisioned at the VMFS level to begin with.  Thin at the SAN or thick &#8211; to prevent the LUN from being over committed and thus pause everything.  Second, spending the money on a SAN feature license that covers all connected servers compared to the cost and constant changing &#8220;what this license includes&#8221; VMWare license makes it a no brainer &#8211; the SAN feature will be cheaper.  Third &#8211; thick provisioning isn&#8217;t evil if you are dealing with less than 10tb.  Disk is cheap, and you&#8217;re paying for the SANhead anyway, so don&#8217;t try to solve things with added licenses.</p>
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